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Neil Timmerman's avatar

Number 2 is an obvious contradiction to number 1. If you'll sacrifice men more than women then obviously you place a lower value on men and there must be some reason for that -- how that doesn't get translated into a more negative view of men is beyond me.

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Norman Siebrasse's avatar

Re the myth of the man-hating feminist, it strikes me that the difference between 2nd wave feminism and 4th wave feminism is so great that “feminism” is no longer a useful category. Second wave feminism, as I understand it, is to the effect that women should not suffer formal discrimination compared to men and also emphasized the importance of biologically based differences between the sexes, eg in domestic violence. This version of feminism is still very widespread—I expect that this is what most ordinary women mean when they say they are feminist. There is no reason for feminists of this type to dislike men. Fourth wave feminism is a form of identity politics based on an oppressor / oppressed narrative in which men are the oppressor. This implies that they will dislike men. This is somewhat tempered by the fact that many 4th wave feminists are heterosexual. But in some ways that makes it worse, as they (unsurprisingly) can’t find the ‘right’ man, and tend to blame men, instead of their attitude towards men, for that. Since younger women are more likely to be 4th wave, controlling for age might tease this out. I didn’t read the paper closely enough to see if they did that.

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