Thanks for posting this jaw dropping research. If they are right, and it looks as though they are, it should be a fairly quick clean up by pointing out the emperor has no clothes thus allowing people the space to believe as they wish. Wouldn't it be great to have the universities back to be hubs of debate and wonderful disagreement? In some ways this is very good news!
Not as far as I know. I googled it this morning and couldn't find any more information. I'm assuming the authors will make the data available at some point, though.
I’d want to see a peer-reviewed paper. As someone who tends toward the center I know that I have held my tongue to seem more liberal some days and more conservative on others depending on which social group I’m hanging out with. It’s a natural part of being human.
As a result, if you asked the question the other way (have you ever repressed more progressive opinions around conservatives), I suspect you get an answer that’s not incredibly different. Maybe not on the strict biology piece, but there’s much more to the study than they give us details on. As a result it seems very cherry picked.
I’m also not terribly convinced it matters, environment-wise, for learning. In the vast majority of cases, these opinions have nothing to do with the subject at hand. Attend class, study, learn, graduate, go add value.
If the paper wants to extend these results to compliance in other regards, what are they? Competing scientific theories, of which the professor believes one over the other? Seems like a legitimate academic position to hold. Students should not feel compelled to agree there if they can make a colorable argument. And I’m not convinced they do from what is presented here.
So I’m sort of meh on this whole idea. Coming out of college with a strong sense of self is the exception, not the rule, IMO. I think instead kids learn that life is complicated and there much more yet to do to become themselves.
I agree that people hold their tongue on conservative views among leftists and leftist views among conservatives. It seems very likely to me, though, that the former is much more common on most campuses.
It also seems likely to me that it has educational costs. Even if students are overestimating how bad the consequences of breaking (perceived) ranks would be, if they don't do it, then are important conservations that people aren't having.
I agree, though, that this doesn't apply to everything that's taught at universities, and that it would be easy to exaggerate the scale of the problem.
Faking wokeness: This also serves to filter out the best and brightest from academia since many will simply opt out of such a system, particularly men since healthy T levels eliminate prosocial behavior.
Thanks for posting this jaw dropping research. If they are right, and it looks as though they are, it should be a fairly quick clean up by pointing out the emperor has no clothes thus allowing people the space to believe as they wish. Wouldn't it be great to have the universities back to be hubs of debate and wonderful disagreement? In some ways this is very good news!
Good point! Yep, I hope it might have an emperor's-new-clothes effect. The numbers really are quite stunning.
Has this been published in an academic journal anywhere? Would be interesting to have a closer look at the data.
In particular, whether female students are more likely than male to conform to the prevailing ideology
Not as far as I know. I googled it this morning and couldn't find any more information. I'm assuming the authors will make the data available at some point, though.
I’d want to see a peer-reviewed paper. As someone who tends toward the center I know that I have held my tongue to seem more liberal some days and more conservative on others depending on which social group I’m hanging out with. It’s a natural part of being human.
As a result, if you asked the question the other way (have you ever repressed more progressive opinions around conservatives), I suspect you get an answer that’s not incredibly different. Maybe not on the strict biology piece, but there’s much more to the study than they give us details on. As a result it seems very cherry picked.
I’m also not terribly convinced it matters, environment-wise, for learning. In the vast majority of cases, these opinions have nothing to do with the subject at hand. Attend class, study, learn, graduate, go add value.
If the paper wants to extend these results to compliance in other regards, what are they? Competing scientific theories, of which the professor believes one over the other? Seems like a legitimate academic position to hold. Students should not feel compelled to agree there if they can make a colorable argument. And I’m not convinced they do from what is presented here.
So I’m sort of meh on this whole idea. Coming out of college with a strong sense of self is the exception, not the rule, IMO. I think instead kids learn that life is complicated and there much more yet to do to become themselves.
Hi Brian. All very reasonable points.
I agree that people hold their tongue on conservative views among leftists and leftist views among conservatives. It seems very likely to me, though, that the former is much more common on most campuses.
It also seems likely to me that it has educational costs. Even if students are overestimating how bad the consequences of breaking (perceived) ranks would be, if they don't do it, then are important conservations that people aren't having.
I agree, though, that this doesn't apply to everything that's taught at universities, and that it would be easy to exaggerate the scale of the problem.
Faking wokeness: This also serves to filter out the best and brightest from academia since many will simply opt out of such a system, particularly men since healthy T levels eliminate prosocial behavior.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/37012404/